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4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 9:51 am
by malibu
I have heard many thoughts on this play. I reviewed the play over and over.
Me personally i like a run call just not that one and here's why. It was a stacked box as most would assume so running up the middle or to the right or left will be harder to execute.
I still would have run it over passing. I would run it either to the left side Diedich/Jackson or run a Puka jet sweep to that side i would not run behind Dotson, McClendon. If you watch the niners play they were stacked on left with ILBs and DL. Diedich is a very good run blocker and Jackson is too not to mention Diedich was playing great PFF graded him the best OLman this week with a really high grade.
My bigger question is for McVay why call that play? He says he called a bad play. This situation has had to be dicussed ad naseum in practice and in behind closed doors in gameplanning for any team. The call felt reactionary instead of a methodically thought out decision.
Dmac and Travis podcast they advocated throwing to Puka bc Stafford was so hot. They said "put it in the hands of their best playmaker". Sure I agree but id rather run it with Puka not a pass anything can happen with a pass handing it off we have a chance.
This play really bothered me not because we didnt make it sure i wanted them too obviously, but moreso the call by McVay and his lack of sound reasoning.
Love your thoughts.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 10:22 am
by ocram23
malibu wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 9:51 am
I have heard many thoughts on this play. I reviewed the play over and over.
Me personally i like a run call just not that one and here's why. It was a stacked box as most would assume so running up the middle or to the right or left will be harder to execute.
I still would have run it over passing. I would run it either to the left side Diedich/Jackson or run a Puka jet sweep to that side i would not run behind Dotson, McClendon. If you watch the niners play they were stacked on left with ILBs and DL. Diedich is a very good run blocker and Jackson is too not to mention Diedich was playing great PFF graded him the best OLman this week with a really high grade.
My bigger question is for McVay why call that play? He says he called a bad play. This situation has had to be dicussed ad naseum in practice and in behind closed doors in gameplanning for any team. The call felt reactionary instead of a methodically thought out decision.
Dmac and Travis podcast they advocated throwing to Puka bc Stafford was so hot. They said "put it in the hands of their best playmaker". Sure I agree but id rather run it with Puka not a pass anything can happen with a pass handing it off we have a chance.
This play really bothered me not because we didnt make it sure i wanted them too obviously, but moreso the call by McVay and his lack of sound reasoning.
Love your thoughts.
yes we have talked about this play enough but my 2 thoughts are this:
either throw a quick out to Puka or a jet sweep to Puka or Atwell
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 10:47 am
by Cornell29
What I dont understand is many were upset when Mcvay passed on 3rd and one mid 4th quarter, saying that Mcvay need to trust his back to keep the chains moving.
Then when Mcvay calls a run on 4th and 1, many are saying he should have passed. Is this just Monday morning quarterbacking?
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 10:49 am
by Cornell29
This was the look right before the snap. When Mcvay seen this look as well as did the OC from overhead, he more likely figured this is a matchup they can win for 1 yard, so he didnt use another timeout and allowed the play to take place.
The rams should have at least got a yard. It was the CB #26, who made the play for the niners. No reason to let a cb penetrate.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 11:41 am
by therealheadslap75
Whittington and Puka got blowed up, McClendon might have thrown Whittington off his block, two of their men beat three of ours.
Kyren should have cut right, he could have carried that dude the one yard
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 4:31 pm
by malibu
Cornell29 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 10:47 am
What I dont understand is many were upset when Mcvay passed on 3rd and one mid 4th quarter, saying that Mcvay need to trust his back to keep the chains moving.
Then when Mcvay calls a run on 4th and 1, many are saying he should have passed. Is this just Monday morning quarterbacking?
I was one who wanted him to run it on 3rd and 1 and i wanted him to run it on 4th and 1 just not that play.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 5:17 pm
by fan since 65
Nearly the same play that was blown up on 4th and 1 against the Eagles. McVay has shown no originality within the 15 yard line in nearly two years. He is out guessing himself and no one else. The 9ers knew where that play was going...
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 5:48 pm
by Cornell29
fan since 65 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 5:17 pm
Nearly the same play that was blown up on 4th and 1 against the Eagles. McVay has shown no originality within the 15 yard line in nearly two years. He is out guessing himself and no one else. The 9ers knew where that play was going...
Just have Stafford throw the ball and only throw to KW or Corum if they are the only open option. Anything involving KW or Corum is risky. They have been so disappointing.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 6:06 pm
by FelixTheStonerCat
Cornell29 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 10:47 am
What I dont understand is many were upset when Mcvay passed on 3rd and one mid 4th quarter, saying that Mcvay need to trust his back to keep the chains moving.
Then when Mcvay calls a run on 4th and 1, many are saying he should have passed. Is this just Monday morning quarterbacking?
Not me. I wanted McVay to keep the ball in Staffords hands. He was playing lights out in that game. He was spreading the ball around and getting more guys involved. If they keep that going, this offense can be dangerous. The RBs just have to do their jobs and not fumble the damn ball. Man, we had this game won. Talk about being deflated.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 6:15 pm
by brasilrams
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 10:22 am
malibu wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 9:51 am
I have heard many thoughts on this play. I reviewed the play over and over.
Me personally i like a run call just not that one and here's why. It was a stacked box as most would assume so running up the middle or to the right or left will be harder to execute.
I still would have run it over passing. I would run it either to the left side Diedich/Jackson or run a Puka jet sweep to that side i would not run behind Dotson, McClendon. If you watch the niners play they were stacked on left with ILBs and DL. Diedich is a very good run blocker and Jackson is too not to mention Diedich was playing great PFF graded him the best OLman this week with a really high grade.
My bigger question is for McVay why call that play? He says he called a bad play. This situation has had to be dicussed ad naseum in practice and in behind closed doors in gameplanning for any team. The call felt reactionary instead of a methodically thought out decision.
Dmac and Travis podcast they advocated throwing to Puka bc Stafford was so hot. They said "put it in the hands of their best playmaker". Sure I agree but id rather run it with Puka not a pass anything can happen with a pass handing it off we have a chance.
This play really bothered me not because we didnt make it sure i wanted them too obviously, but moreso the call by McVay and his lack of sound reasoning.
Love your thoughts.
yes we have talked about this play enough but my 2 thoughts are this:
either throw a quick out to Puka or a jet sweep to Puka or Atwell
Exactly . But if you MUST run like this , do not do it behind your BACK UP RT . Go to the LEFT .
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 6:18 pm
by Cornell29
brasilrams wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 6:15 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 10:22 am
yes we have talked about this play enough but my 2 thoughts are this:
either throw a quick out to Puka or a jet sweep to Puka or Atwell
Exactly . But if you MUST run like this , do not do it behind your BACK UP RT . Go to the LEFT .
Rbs can and do change direction, KW could have bounced it out to the left or further to the right. How many times the rams look like they are about to get the stop and the opposing back changes direction and bounces it out or inside and get the first. KW has limited vision and no ability to change direction. I could deal with his limitations if he can at least protect the ball and catch and he cant even do that.
Just let Stafford throw or jet sweep with Puka
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 6:20 pm
by brasilrams
Cornell29 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 6:18 pm
brasilrams wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 6:15 pm
Exactly . But if you MUST run like this , do not do it behind your BACK UP RT . Go to the LEFT .
Rbs can and do change direction, KW could have bounced it out to the left or further to the right. How many times the rams look like they are about to get the stop and the back changes direction and bounces it out and get the first. KW has limited vision and no ability to change direction. I could deal with his limitations if he can at least protect the ball and catch and he cant even do that.
Just let Stafford throw or jet sweep with Puka
Exactly !
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 4th, 2025, 8:39 pm
by Jacksnow
Cornell29 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 6:18 pm
brasilrams wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 6:15 pm
Exactly . But if you MUST run like this , do not do it behind your BACK UP RT . Go to the LEFT .
Rbs can and do change direction, KW could have bounced it out to the left or further to the right. How many times the rams look like they are about to get the stop and the opposing back changes direction and bounces it out or inside and get the first. KW has limited vision and no ability to change direction. I could deal with his limitations if he can at least protect the ball and catch and he cant even do that.
Just let Stafford throw or jet sweep with Puka
He can block for an elderly QB.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 12:36 am
by Utah Rams Fan
Okay, the entire world knows that McVay makes a lot of mistakes calling plays. So my question here is why in the hell is he calling the plays? He has an O/C, why isn’t HE calling the plays from up above? Why is MvVay still calling plays when he has had this problem for years?
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 8:41 am
by Cornell29
Utah Rams Fan wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 12:36 am
Okay, the entire world knows that McVay makes a lot of mistakes calling plays. So my question here is why in the hell is he calling the plays? He has an O/C, why isn’t HE calling the plays from up above? Why is MvVay still calling plays when he has had this problem for years?
Same reason that Matt Lafleur, Kevin O Connell, Liam Coen, Zac Taylor, Shane Steichen, Ben Johnson, Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid, Brian Doball, Sean Payton, Keller Moore, Kevin Stefanski, Mike McDaniel etc all call plays. They are HC/OC. If you don't want Mcvay to call plays then Stan has to fire him and hire a ST or DC to be the head coach.
Also if you had a OC call plays, he will more likely be gone in a season or two for a HC job.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 10:46 am
by ocram23
Utah Rams Fan wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 12:36 am
Okay, the entire world knows that McVay makes a lot of mistakes calling plays. So my question here is why in the hell is he calling the plays? He has an O/C, why isn’t HE calling the plays from up above? Why is MvVay still calling plays when he has had this problem for years?
million dollar question
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 3:24 pm
by DelMar
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 10:46 am
Utah Rams Fan wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 12:36 am
Okay, the entire world knows that McVay makes a lot of mistakes calling plays. So my question here is why in the hell is he calling the plays? He has an O/C, why isn’t HE calling the plays from up above? Why is MvVay still calling plays when he has had this problem for years?
million dollar question
It truly is.
Because I thought we crossed this bridge w Sean, hired a good OC and fixed this issue. So is McVay such a control hound that he has to have total control of the offense?. Because if he is in charge right now, Surely Snead has to has to step in.
I mean only the Rams staff and players know what’s going on w the play by play and offensive structure… but whatever we are doing has to be revisited
AGAIN.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 3:25 pm
by Slickjack
Perhaps this is simplest, but why not go to more of spread formation than telegraghing the run? I think McVay let his ego get the best of (i.e. our guys are bigger and stronger than your guys and you can't stop us).
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 4:18 pm
by brasilrams
therealheadslap75 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 11:41 am
Whittington and Puka got blowed up, McClendon might have thrown Whittington off his block,
two of their men beat three of ours.
Kyren should have cut right, he could have carried that dude the one yard
"
two of their men beat three of ours "
That sums it up right there . We can complain about mcvay all we want but players need to execute when the match up in their favor like this. The problem is mcvay is not holding people accountable for their mistakes. That is the issue here.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 4:25 pm
by Cornell29
brasilrams wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 4:18 pm
therealheadslap75 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2025, 11:41 am
Whittington and Puka got blowed up, McClendon might have thrown Whittington off his block,
two of their men beat three of ours.
Kyren should have cut right, he could have carried that dude the one yard
"
two of their men beat three of ours "
That sums it up right there . We can complain about mcvay all we want but players need to execute when the match up in their favor like this. The problem is mcvay is not holding people accountable for their mistakes. That is the issue here.
Agreed
Im still waiting for Mcvay to hold Chase accountable. Its a layup, and Mcvay isn't doing squat. KW and Corum fumbles and drops. Im waiting Mcvay, do something
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 5:06 pm
by ocram23
DelMar wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 3:24 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 10:46 am
million dollar question
It truly is.
Because I thought we crossed this bridge w Sean, hired a good OC and fixed this issue. So is McVay such a control hound that he has to have total control of the offense?. Because if he is in charge right now, Surely Snead has to has to step in.
I mean only the Rams staff and players know what’s going on w the play by play and offensive structure… but whatever we are doing has to be revisited
AGAIN.
like many people have said I do believe your OC needs to be upstairs in the booth. he needs to hand over the play calling
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 5:09 pm
by Cornell29
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 5:06 pm
DelMar wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 3:24 pm
It truly is.
Because I thought we crossed this bridge w Sean, hired a good OC and fixed this issue. So is McVay such a control hound that he has to have total control of the offense?. Because if he is in charge right now, Surely Snead has to has to step in.
I mean only the Rams staff and players know what’s going on w the play by play and offensive structure… but whatever we are doing has to be revisited
AGAIN.
like many people have said I do believe your OC needs to be upstairs in the booth. he needs to hand over the play calling
Thats not the norm when your HC was a former OC.
For example Matt Lafleur, Kevin O Connell, Liam Coen, Zac Taylor, Shane Steichen, Ben Johnson, Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid, Brian Doball, Sean Payton, Keller Moore, Kevin Stefanski, Mike McDaniel etc
None of them call plays from upstairs and they are all HC who is also the OC.
If you want a OC that calls plays from upstairs then you need to hope Mcvay gets fired and hire a former DC or ST coach to be the new HC. That HC would hire a OC that calls plays from upstairs.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 5:44 pm
by brasilrams
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 5:06 pm
DelMar wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 3:24 pm
It truly is.
Because I thought we crossed this bridge w Sean, hired a good OC and fixed this issue. So is McVay such a control hound that he has to have total control of the offense?. Because if he is in charge right now, Surely Snead has to has to step in.
I mean only the Rams staff and players know what’s going on w the play by play and offensive structure… but whatever we are doing has to be revisited
AGAIN.
like many people have said I do believe your OC needs to be upstairs in the booth. he needs to hand over the play calling
Lol....cmon...do you really think that this will ever happen? Cmon man...he has been here now for 8 years...you should know him by now
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 7:02 pm
by ocram23
brasilrams wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 5:44 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 5:06 pm
like many people have said I do believe your OC needs to be upstairs in the booth. he needs to hand over the play calling
Lol....cmon...do you really think that this will ever happen? Cmon man...he has been here now for 8 years...you should know him by now
yeah no shit I am saying what I think...his ego would never let him pass on the play calling duties to someone else
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 7:45 pm
by brasilrams
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 7:02 pm
brasilrams wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 5:44 pm
Lol....cmon...do you really think that this will ever happen? Cmon man...he has been here now for 8 years...you should know him by now
yeah no shit I am saying what I think...his ego would never let him pass on the play calling duties to someone else
I just think it is waste to even talk about this , since there is 0 % chance of happening . IT is like saying "I think the rams should trade for mahomes " . type of shit is NOT even worth talking imo.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 8:05 pm
by ocram23
brasilrams wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 7:45 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 7:02 pm
yeah no shit I am saying what I think...his ego would never let him pass on the play calling duties to someone else
I just think it is waste to even talk about this , since there is 0 % chance of happening . IT is like saying "I think the rams should trade for mahomes " . type of shit is NOT even worth talking imo.
then don't comment. dude you are always fighting with people...relax
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 5th, 2025, 8:22 pm
by brasilrams
ocram23 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 8:05 pm
brasilrams wrote: ↑October 5th, 2025, 7:45 pm
I just think it is waste to even talk about this , since there is 0 % chance of happening . IT is like saying "I think the rams should trade for mahomes " . type of shit is NOT even worth talking imo.
then don't comment. dude you are always fighting with people...relax
No, I’m not arguing — not with you now, and not with anyone. It’s just stupid to keep saying “ohhhh McVay should stop calling the plays” when clearly that’s never going to happen. That kind of comment adds absolutely nothing to the discussion/ topic.
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 9th, 2025, 7:31 pm
by Cornell29
Skatt would have got that first
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 9th, 2025, 8:04 pm
by bigklein
Might Hunter be a hammer?
Re: 4th and 1 run call last play of the game what was McVays pov?
Posted: October 9th, 2025, 8:16 pm
by Cornell29
Again
Skat gets the first imo. Similar to the Rams one yarder, he is met at the LOS and he smash through. Rams need a rb upgrade, hopefully it's Hunter. Oh look no fumbles