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Posted: **October 26th, 2025, 6:14 pm**

Signals from Rams are unclear but not positive on the future of C Beaux Limmer. It seems the brain trust on issues regarding the OL have soured on this player who performed admirably last year prior to the final 3:00 minutes of the Philly playoff loss. He seems to be persona non grata on the team and a regular INC scratch on game day. IMO he had/has potential if allowed to develop @ C but McVay & staff think otherwise. Does anyone have insight into the real story on this player ? Clearly his line calls and PP scores on PFF are known but improvement is not out of the question. If cut loose by the Rams I see him with a future elsewhere in the NFL.

Posted: **October 26th, 2025, 6:56 pm**

This just completely blows my mind. Last season I thought and hearing others talk about him, we found a good C for the future and then Philly game happened and he’s apparently “shit”? I would also love to get insight or what really is happening with this guy

Posted: **October 26th, 2025, 7:04 pm**

It’s weird. Limmer was key in saving the Rams season last year after the center disasters with Avila and Jackson. He was thrown into a lot. I thought that Shelton was brought in to help mentor him this year. What’s going on?

And who’s been Shelton’s active backup in games lately?

Maybe they see more potential in McMahon and Bowles. It’s a little strange.

Posted: **October 26th, 2025, 8:18 pm**

He is a 6th round pick. You are not finding your franchise center in the 6th round . He was a mediocre center last year . They tried him at guard this year and he failed miserably . I don't understand all the commotion .

Posted: **October 26th, 2025, 9:21 pm**

No.

And I agree with brasil I don’t get the constant commotion……..

If we have watched this league at all we know end of year 3 with many……..

Posted: **October 26th, 2025, 10:44 pm**

Mediocre last year?

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 7:01 am**

at first he was a good surprise because we didn't expect much from him. But he was flawed, and then the disastrous last drive at Philie happened, MCVay sure is still salty about it. This year he's been nothing short of terrible at guard. And we don't know everything, maybe his timing with Stafford was off as a centrer, maybe he didn't snap the ball correctly, maybe too low because he's short etc...Those are important details that we as simple watchers can't be aware of.

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 8:32 am**

bigklein wrote: ↑October 26th, 2025, 10:44 pm Mediocre last year?

If I remember correctly , his grade was 55.9 by PFF last year.

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 8:36 am**

Jason Kelce was a sixth round pick, not a lot of first round centers, Limmer is an enigma to me. McVay has been wrong a bunch of times, I think McVay is wrong on this personnel decision. Sometimes you just don't know what the hell you have until they see real action in the game. Limmer is significantly bigger than Shelton, he's 6'5 and 315-320, he had the best bench I think 39 reps which is fucking beastly, and the second highest vertical jump of any offensive lineman at the combine. He played well in the senior bowl, and he generally played well last year. I think he's bigger stronger and more athletic than Shelton, teach him the fucking line calls and pass protection.

pff miraculously has Shelton ranked 9, with a 44 pass blocking grade

of course Creed Humphrey is ranked #1 to the dismay of Tutu Atwell

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 9:12 am**

Agree on all the points you made / also an Academic AA and a hard worker with a coachable attitude. He was a work out buddy to Big Whitt( Andrew Whittworth). It just does not add up to me & we remain weak at the C spot with Shelton. As we know it is the McVay show & it is his call here - but Limmer appears to be paying for 2 wrong protection calls vs Philly with his Ram career.

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 9:21 am**

The guy can push a steel bar with big weights while laying on his back on a bench WOOOHOOO !! Too bad in football you have to stand up on your feet :(
That kind of fancy stats are ridiculous, disconnected from the actual game. What about his football IQ? What about his feet, can he move quickly, does he have a good balance to deploy his herculean strength?

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 9:32 am**

Guy a weight lift guy not a football guy

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 9:51 am**

therealheadslap75 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 8:36 am Jason Kelce was a sixth round pick, not a lot of first round centers, Limmer is an enigma to me. McVay has been wrong a bunch of times, I think McVay is wrong on this personnel decision. Sometimes you just don't know what the hell you have until they see real action in the game. Limmer is significantly bigger than Shelton, he's 6'5 and 315-320, he had the best bench I think 39 reps which is fucking beastly, and the second highest vertical jump of any offensive lineman at the combine. He played well in the senior bowl, and he generally played well last year. I think he's bigger stronger and more athletic than Shelton, teach him the fucking line calls and pass protection.

pff miraculously has Shelton ranked 9, with a 44 pass blocking grade

of course Creed Humphrey is ranked #1 to the dismay of Tutu Atwell

“ of course Creed Humphrey is ranked #1 to the dismay of Tutu Atwell”

And of course Puka Nocua is ranked #1 to the dismay of……… Bryon Young to the dismay of……………

We can do this all day…………….

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 11:41 am**

People underestimate the value of having a high football IQ and being able to call protections and plays accurately. Shelton excels at this, which takes a great deal of stress off Stafford and helps to gel and calm the entire O Line. Limmer was evidently unable to accurately make these vital calls and the Rams missed Shelton’s football acumen significantly. Macvay and Stafford have both said it. Center is as much about smarts as it is about skill … Beaux struggled while Shelton excels at this. Thus, the change. Hoping Beaxu can surmount his struggles and learn because he has the potential to be good.

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 12:52 pm**

I agree football IQ has a lot to do here. He just doesn't seem to get his assignments. He was wiffing blocks in fg protection too. It's weird he's a solid run blocker, but sucks in pass protect. Think we gotta move on here. Maybe a serviceable backup

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 1:28 pm**

AntiGoof wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 7:01 am at first he was a good surprise because we didn't expect much from him. But he was flawed, and then the disastrous last drive at Philie happened, MCVay sure is still salty about it. This year he's been nothing short of terrible at guard. And we don't know everything, maybe his timing with Stafford was off as a centrer, maybe he didn't snap the ball correctly, maybe too low because he's short etc...Those are important details that we as simple watchers can't be aware of.

Even after the Eagles playoff disaster, Mcvay allowed him to be the 1st backup for guard and center and he repayed Mcvay by continuing to be a disaster. Mcvay put on on the FG OL team and he sucked there too.

I dont think Mcvay gave up on him yet, but Mcvay definitely feel he needs alot more coaching. As of now he is still on the roster, just deactivated every week. I think there is a flaw in his blocking and the league has him on film and exposes his flaws when he is in the field.

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 6:05 pm**

NorCal RF wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 9:51 am
therealheadslap75 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 8:36 am Jason Kelce was a sixth round pick, not a lot of first round centers, Limmer is an enigma to me. McVay has been wrong a bunch of times, I think McVay is wrong on this personnel decision. Sometimes you just don't know what the hell you have until they see real action in the game. Limmer is significantly bigger than Shelton, he's 6'5 and 315-320, he had the best bench I think 39 reps which is fucking beastly, and the second highest vertical jump of any offensive lineman at the combine. He played well in the senior bowl, and he generally played well last year. I think he's bigger stronger and more athletic than Shelton, teach him the fucking line calls and pass protection.

pff miraculously has Shelton ranked 9, with a 44 pass blocking grade

of course Creed Humphrey is ranked #1 to the dismay of Tutu Atwell
“ of course Creed Humphrey is ranked #1 to the dismay of Tutu Atwell”

And of course Puka Nocua is ranked #1 to the dismay of……… Bryon Young to the dismay of……………

We can do this all day…………….

I knew this post would lure you out!!

There's a big difference Norcal

puka was a 5th round pick and we play him a lot

young was a third round pick and we play him a lot and we needed an edge

tutu is a second rounder and we don't play him at all

we needed a center like nobodies business, we still do

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 6:56 pm**

Apparent there are varying opinions on Limmer and how he has arrived where he currently is in the OL plans for the Rams. To dismiss him as a weight room block head with no skills for the C position and dismiss his play for a good portion of last year are just inaccurate - and to imply Shelton is an upgrade is debatable. The question of what has gone down with this player was the question and it seems there is speculation, lots of opinions for/against the player but no real feedback to explain it. It would seem the term buttoned up related to our FO actions apply. One fact that is not in dispute is that the C position is critical and Creed Humphrey should have selected by the Rams instead of Tu Tu Atwell. IMO Shelton is the weak link and it may cost the Rams down the line.

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 7:05 pm**

therealheadslap75 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 6:05 pm
NorCal RF wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 9:51 am

“ of course Creed Humphrey is ranked #1 to the dismay of Tutu Atwell”

And of course Puka Nocua is ranked #1 to the dismay of……… Bryon Young to the dismay of……………

We can do this all day…………….
I knew this post would lure you out!!

There's a big difference Norcal

puka was a 5th round pick and we play him a lot

young was a third round pick and we play him a lot and we needed an edge

tutu is a second rounder and we don't play him at all

we needed a center like nobodies business, we still do

It’s so easy to play armchair GM. You excel at it….

Don’t say I don’t compliment you……..

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 7:07 pm**

RonMac wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 6:56 pm Apparent there are varying opinions on Limmer and how he has arrived where he currently is in the OL plans for the Rams. To dismiss him as a weight room block head with no skills for the C position and dismiss his play for a good portion of last year are just inaccurate - and to imply Shelton is an upgrade is debatable. The question of what has gone down with this player was the question and it seems there is speculation, lots of opinions for/against the player but no real feedback to explain it. It would seem the term buttoned up related to our FO actions apply. One fact that is not in dispute is that the C position is critical and Creed Humphrey should have selected by the Rams instead of Tu Tu Atwell. IMO Shelton is the weak link and it may cost the Rams down the line.

“ Apparent there are varying opinions on Limmer and how he has arrived where he currently is in the OL plans for the Rams. To dismiss him as a weight room block head with no skills for the C position and dismiss his play for a good portion of last year are just inaccurate ”

This^

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 7:09 pm**

RonMac wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 6:56 pm Apparent there are varying opinions on Limmer and how he has arrived where he currently is in the OL plans for the Rams. To dismiss him as a weight room block head with no skills for the C position and dismiss his play for a good portion of last year are just inaccurate - and to imply Shelton is an upgrade is debatable. The question of what has gone down with this player was the question and it seems there is speculation, lots of opinions for/against the player but no real feedback to explain it. It would seem the term buttoned up related to our FO actions apply. One fact that is not in dispute is that the C position is critical and Creed Humphrey should have selected by the Rams instead of Tu Tu Atwell. IMO Shelton is the weak link and it may cost the Rams down the line.

“ and Creed Humphrey should have selected by the Rams instead of Tu Tu Atwell.”

You know what they say about hindsight……

Hey like I said earlier today it will end up a bad pick. One that every GM and coach makes in the league. See niners current fan forum for one……….

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 10:12 pm**

therealheadslap75 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 6:05 pm
NorCal RF wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 9:51 am

“ of course Creed Humphrey is ranked #1 to the dismay of Tutu Atwell”

And of course Puka Nocua is ranked #1 to the dismay of……… Bryon Young to the dismay of……………

We can do this all day…………….
I knew this post would lure you out!!

There's a big difference Norcal

puka was a 5th round pick and we play him a lot

young was a third round pick and we play him a lot and we needed an edge

tutu is a second rounder and we don't play him at all

we needed a center like nobodies business, we still do

Norcals’ only point is that you hit or miss on drafts, like most franchises. Tutu was obviously the wrong pick ( since creed was available) , while Nakua was an excellent one. How many teams are now regretting that They passed on him? That is his point, and it’s very logical. Thankfully, the Rams have been drafting well overall, but last year’s class is still up for debate. I don’t like the fact that Ferguson barely plays, and we’re already halfway through the season. I think second-round players must make an immediate impact; otherwise, they’re basically considered busts—unless they excel in their second season. But I don't like the fact that he is number 4 on the chart behind a bunch of mediocre TEs

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 10:44 pm**

I thought he played very well last year, given that he was thrown into the mix due to injuries and exceeded expectations. I thought he might wind up being the unexpected future at Center but the huge play he gave up in the Eagles game may have sealed his fate. Shelton is not the answer. Limmer does not appear to be a Guard.

It's either Center or bust IMO and I think McVay likes players who have the versatility to play multiple positions instead of just focusing on one position. My guess is that one of the other backups has more versatility.

In either case, if we are done with him, why not attempt to trade him rather than letting him walk. I agree with another poster, I think he will develop as a starting Center on the right team.

Posted: **October 27th, 2025, 11:53 pm**

Does everyone realize Shelton is a top 10 center? Not sure where the criticism is stemming from. He’s very solid and plays smart - he’s intuitive, athletic and plays with purpose. The coaches and teammates love him - he’s gotten two game balls already! So no, I don’t think he’s a weak link or an issue. I think it’s people not fully grasping the nuances of this complicated position on the line, which Shelton actually fulfills very well. Shelton is here for a while

Posted: **October 28th, 2025, 12:13 am**

Fanofthegame84 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 11:53 pm Does everyone realize Shelton is a top 10 center? Not sure where the criticism is stemming from. He’s very solid and plays smart - he’s intuitive, athletic and plays with purpose. The coaches and teammates love him - he’s gotten two game balls already! So no, I don’t think he’s a weak link or an issue. I think it’s people not fully grasping the nuances of this complicated position on the line that clamor for change. Shelton is here for a while

It's the we need pro-bowlers at every position mentality fans have. Very unrealistic of course. It's actually impossible.

Reality is, the Rams oline has been playing very good of late since Dotson and Avila have been at full health. Stafford was hardly touched the last two games. The oline is a big reason why I see the Rams as a Superbowl contenders. Very complete team if not the most complete team in the NFL.

Posted: **October 28th, 2025, 8:16 am**

Fanofthegame84 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 11:53 pm Does everyone realize Shelton is a top 10 center? Not sure where the criticism is stemming from. He’s very solid and plays smart - he’s intuitive, athletic and plays with purpose. The coaches and teammates love him - he’s gotten two game balls already! So no, I don’t think he’s a weak link or an issue. I think it’s people not fully grasping the nuances of this complicated position on the line that clamor for change. Shelton is here for a while

Shelton can run block but he can't pass block. This was already debated and I posted his pff grades. There is actually a thread about this.

Posted: **October 28th, 2025, 11:05 am**

brasilrams wrote: ↑October 28th, 2025, 8:16 am
Fanofthegame84 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 11:53 pm Does everyone realize Shelton is a top 10 center? Not sure where the criticism is stemming from. He’s very solid and plays smart - he’s intuitive, athletic and plays with purpose. The coaches and teammates love him - he’s gotten two game balls already! So no, I don’t think he’s a weak link or an issue. I think it’s people not fully grasping the nuances of this complicated position on the line that clamor for change. Shelton is here for a while
Shelton can run block but he can't pass block. This was already debated and I posted his pff grades. There is actually a thread about this.

I like PFF to a extent but their grades are not absolutes. It's a tool and should be used as such. But it's not an end all.

I agree Shelton is a better run blocker.

Posted: **October 28th, 2025, 11:13 am**

PFF has already been blasted by JJ Watt himself as being unable to truly judge schemes and plays, especially for o lines and d lines. While PFF sometimes can add objective stats that are important, their judgement stats are wildly inept. For example, Stafford leads all QBs for passing yards but PFF judges the passing block grades for the Rams o line super harshly … which makes zero sense. Stafford obviously gets more protection than PFF wants to acknowledge … and that disconnect just undermines PFF.
They cannot and do not understand how to judge blocking and line play and/or schemes (as Watt said). So don’t use them as an algorithm to judge the o line.

Posted: **October 28th, 2025, 11:39 am**

brasilrams wrote: ↑October 28th, 2025, 8:16 am
Fanofthegame84 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2025, 11:53 pm Does everyone realize Shelton is a top 10 center? Not sure where the criticism is stemming from. He’s very solid and plays smart - he’s intuitive, athletic and plays with purpose. The coaches and teammates love him - he’s gotten two game balls already! So no, I don’t think he’s a weak link or an issue. I think it’s people not fully grasping the nuances of this complicated position on the line that clamor for change. Shelton is here for a while
Shelton can run block but he can't pass block. This was already debated and I posted his pff grades. There is actually a thread about this.

Yup- and Limmer can also run block, but can't pass block for shit. Would be nice to land a guy who can do both. We have now tried Avila, Jackson, Shelton, Limmer all at C. Nobody has been a lock and a career Ram C. Limmer seemed it until he didn't...and boy he doesn't right now. Back to the draft board.

Posted: **October 28th, 2025, 11:52 am**

you still keep him to be a backup.....salary is right as well

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