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Not surprised at all..it seems like a good Long Snapper is a much more vital position than some thought.

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 1:01 pm Not surprised at all..it seems like a good Long Snapper is a much more vital position than some thought.

Apparently really vital.

DelMar wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 1:43 pm

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 1:01 pm Not surprised at all..it seems like a good Long Snapper is a much more vital position than some thought.

Apparently really vital.

See Trey Junkin NY Giants to definitely answer that question.

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 1:01 pm Not surprised at all..it seems like a good Long Snapper is a much more vital position than some thought.

The LS is way less vital than the holder or the kicker. Replacing the LS doesn’t mean he’s the most important piece — it just means he was bad. I’ve seen that idiot blocking air a couple of times ( and the kick got blocked because of interior penetration) , and his role after snapping the ball is actually to hold and block the central A-gap.

And just to remember , the kicker was also replaced.

I would like to add that the "Thiccer Kicker" seemed quicker to the ball than Karty. I don't know if anyone timed it. It seemed that way. And the above felt like a paper towel commercial or something.

CierraRam wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 3:50 pm I would like to add that the "Thiccer Kicker" seemed quicker to the ball than Karty. I don't know if anyone timed it. It seemed that way. And the above felt like a paper towel commercial or something.

Or the Thiccer Kicker didn't have to wait as long for the holder to get the laces right, bc the LS is hiking it properly.

Which could explain why Karty is still on the roster and Ward is gone.

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 3:05 pm

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 1:01 pm Not surprised at all..it seems like a good Long Snapper is a much more vital position than some thought.

The LS is way less vital than the holder or the kicker. Replacing the LS doesn’t mean he’s the most important piece — it just means he was bad. I’ve seen that idiot blocking air a couple of times ( and the kick got blocked because of interior penetration) , and his role after snapping the ball is actually to hold and block the central A-gap.

And just to remember , the kicker was also replaced.

Lol..you really should brush up on your Football knowledge..especially in regards to the NFL kicking game..the Long Snapper is absolutely the 2nd most important aspect to a successful kicker only the kicker is more important..like I've mentioned before..anyone with good hands can and has been an NFL holder before..like a punter a backup QB or even WR or safety have all been used as a holder in the NFL..teams don't run out their backup QB or WR be their Long Snapper do they? Your NFL kicking IQ or lack thereof is clearly showing.

CierraRam wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 3:50 pm I would like to add that the "Thiccer Kicker" seemed quicker to the ball than Karty. I don't know if anyone timed it. It seemed that way. And the above felt like a paper towel commercial or something.

You are correct. Someone else posted this in another thread, timing of each kick... Karty has something going on in his head.. (what I call the YIPS)

Thiccer also had all his balls going right through the middle of the uprights ,every time... also didn't kick the low kicks. Just came in, did a terrific job. I am hoping Karty pulls himself out of what he is in, but right now... change had to happen.

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 3:59 pm

CierraRam wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 3:50 pm I would like to add that the "Thiccer Kicker" seemed quicker to the ball than Karty. I don't know if anyone timed it. It seemed that way. And the above felt like a paper towel commercial or something.

Or the Thiccer Kicker didn't have to wait as long for the holder to get the laces right, bc the LS is hiking it properly.

Which could explain why Karty is still on the roster and Ward is gone.

Wait..you mean that is a distraction to the kicker when the laces don't arrive to the holder correctly?. I read that the Long Snapper is the easiest and least important part of the kicking game!

I still dont think Mcvay trusts the kicking game. He had a few times to attempt a fg, instead he went for it on 4th.

Maybe he was just being aggressive or maybe he just trusts the ball in Stafford hands more then the fg unit.

Time will tell

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 4:10 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 3:59 pm

Or the Thiccer Kicker didn't have to wait as long for the holder to get the laces right, bc the LS is hiking it properly.

Which could explain why Karty is still on the roster and Ward is gone.

Wait..you mean that is a distraction to the kicker when the laces don't arrive to the holder correctly?. I read that the Long Snapper is the easiest and least important part of the kicking game!

As you have stated in the past, the snapper is a very important position. Its so important that teams use a active roster spot on it rather then use the starting center or backup Center to do it.

Some think the holder is most important, yes he is important, but you can find someone on the roster to be a holder. There isn't a dedicated holder on any team, that just holds.

LS is a art /skillset.

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 4:18 pm
Maybe he was just being aggressive or maybe he just trusts the ball in Stafford hands more then the fg unit.

^ Both

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 4:06 pm

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 3:05 pm

The LS is way less vital than the holder or the kicker. Replacing the LS doesn’t mean he’s the most important piece — it just means he was bad. I’ve seen that idiot blocking air a couple of times ( and the kick got blocked because of interior penetration) , and his role after snapping the ball is actually to hold and block the central A-gap.

And just to remember , the kicker was also replaced.

Lol..you really should brush up on your Football knowledge..especially in regards to the NFL kicking game..the Long Snapper is absolutely the 2nd most important aspect to a successful kicker only the kicker is more important..like I've mentioned before..anyone with good hands can and has been an NFL holder before..like a punter a backup QB or even WR or safety have all been used as a holder in the NFL..teams don't run out their backup QB or WR be their Long Snapper do they? Your NFL kicking IQ or lack thereof is clearly showing.

You really should just Stfu The holder can turn the ball so the laces face away from the kicker. Like I said, the holder can fix the long snapper’s mistake if needed. By simple logic, that makes him more important — sorry your brain isn’t capable of processing that.

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 5:40 pm

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 4:06 pm

Lol..you really should brush up on your Football knowledge..especially in regards to the NFL kicking game..the Long Snapper is absolutely the 2nd most important aspect to a successful kicker only the kicker is more important..like I've mentioned before..anyone with good hands can and has been an NFL holder before..like a punter a backup QB or even WR or safety have all been used as a holder in the NFL..teams don't run out their backup QB or WR be their Long Snapper do they? Your NFL kicking IQ or lack thereof is clearly showing.

You really should just Stfu The holder can turn the ball so the laces face away from the kicker. Like I said, the holder can fix the long snapper’s mistake if needed. By simple logic, that makes him more important — sorry your brain isn’t capable of processing that.

You seem to be really in the minority here with your lack of common sense in regards to the NFL Kicking game. and if we were to compare ones Football IQ.. your brain has clearly lost out on this one..please do a little more research on the importance of a professional NFL Long Snappers job and then get back to me..there's literally dozens of Coaches and specialist camps who run Long Snapper classes to help develop these skills..I'm not familiar with any specific or special programs to develop a professional holder for the NFL are you?

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 6:49 pm

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 5:40 pm

You really should just Stfu The holder can turn the ball so the laces face away from the kicker. Like I said, the holder can fix the long snapper’s mistake if needed. By simple logic, that makes him more important — sorry your brain isn’t capable of processing that.

You seem to be really in the minority here with your lack of common sense in regards to the NFL Kicking game. and if we were to compare ones Football IQ.. your brain has clearly lost out on this one..please do a little more research on the importance of a professional NFL Long Snappers job and then get back to me..there's literally dozens of Coaches and specialist camps who run Long Snapper classes to help develop these skills..I'm not familiar with any specific or special programs to develop a professional holder for the NFL are you?

Dude, seriously… saying that I “lack football IQ” is basically the same as calling me stupid. You don’t have to use those exact words — it’s clearly implied. That is the ONLY reason I replied with the " stfu " . As always , you were the one to insult first.

But let me start again : You clearly don’t understand how this works. The long snapper just starts the play — the holder actually saves it. I’ve seen it thousands of times: the snap isn’t perfect, the holder spins the ball, sets the laces, and the kick still goes off perfectly. That’s literally his job — to fix the long snapper’s mistake if needed.

But if the holder screws up? The entire play is dead, no matter how perfect the snap was. The long snapper doesn’t decide whether the kick goes in — the holder does.

So by logic and by impact, the holder’s role is more important.

The long snapper’s job might be more complex and harder, and it might require more training and specialization — I’m not going to disagree with that. But that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s more important than the holder. He’s not, for the reasons I already stated

But hey, keep pretending you understand special teams. It’s kinda cute.

The long snapper is more important than the holder because the snap is the foundational, specialized skill that determines the success of the subsequent play, whereas the holder's role is to adjust and place the ball after receiving it. A good long snapper provides a consistent, accurate, and fast snap that allows the holder to do their job with minimal effort. A bad snap, conversely, can be disastrous for both the holder and the kicker, and the long snapper's specialized skills are crucial for achieving a perfect hold, particularly on field goals.

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:26 pm The long snapper is more important than the holder because the snap is the foundational, specialized skill that determines the success of the subsequent play, whereas the holder's role is to adjust and place the ball after receiving it. A good long snapper provides a consistent, accurate, and fast snap that allows the holder to do their job with minimal effort. A bad snap, conversely, can be disastrous for both the holder and the kicker, and the long snapper's specialized skills are crucial for achieving a perfect hold, particularly on field goals.

Just part of my reply to henry :

" The long snapper just starts the play — the holder actually saves it. I’ve seen it thousands of times: the snap isn’t perfect, the holder spins the ball, sets the laces, and the kick still goes off perfectly. That’s literally his job — to fix the long snapper’s mistake if needed.

But if the holder screws up? The entire play is dead, no matter how perfect the snap was. The long snapper doesn’t decide whether the kick goes in — the holder does "

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:27 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:26 pm The long snapper is more important than the holder because the snap is the foundational, specialized skill that determines the success of the subsequent play, whereas the holder's role is to adjust and place the ball after receiving it. A good long snapper provides a consistent, accurate, and fast snap that allows the holder to do their job with minimal effort. A bad snap, conversely, can be disastrous for both the holder and the kicker, and the long snapper's specialized skills are crucial for achieving a perfect hold, particularly on field goals.

Just part of my reply to henry :

" The long snapper just starts the play — the holder actually saves it. I’ve seen it thousands of times: the snap isn’t perfect, the holder spins the ball, sets the laces, and the kick still goes off perfectly. That’s literally his job — to fix the long snapper’s mistake if needed.

But if the holder screws up? The entire play is dead, no matter how perfect the snap was. The long snapper doesn’t decide whether the kick goes in — the holder does "

True both jobs are important but adjusting the ball, holding it for the kicker, after the snap isn't a specialized skillset on any current NFL team, while being able to long snap it accurately and quickly to the holder is, which is why teams use a roster spot for a dedicated LS but not for a holder.

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:30 pm

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:27 pm

Just part of my reply to henry :

" The long snapper just starts the play — the holder actually saves it. I’ve seen it thousands of times: the snap isn’t perfect, the holder spins the ball, sets the laces, and the kick still goes off perfectly. That’s literally his job — to fix the long snapper’s mistake if needed.

But if the holder screws up? The entire play is dead, no matter how perfect the snap was. The long snapper doesn’t decide whether the kick goes in — the holder does "

True both jobs are important but adjusting the ball, holding it for the kicker, after the snap isn't a specialized skillset while being able to long snap it accurately and quickly to the holder is, which is why teams use a roster spot for a dedicated LS but not for a holder.

Yeah, the long snapper’s job is definitely more technical and requires specific training — nobody’s denying that.

But that doesn’t automatically make him more important. You can train a guy to snap a perfect ball, but the holder is the one who determines whether that snap actually turns into a successful kick or a wasted play.

A bad snap can still be saved by a good holder. A bad hold kills everything, no matter how good the snap was. That’s the difference between “specialized” and “important.”

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:32 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:30 pm

True both jobs are important but adjusting the ball, holding it for the kicker, after the snap isn't a specialized skillset while being able to long snap it accurately and quickly to the holder is, which is why teams use a roster spot for a dedicated LS but not for a holder.

Yeah, the long snapper’s job is definitely more technical and requires specific training — nobody’s denying that.

But that doesn’t automatically make him more important. You can train a guy to snap a perfect ball, but the holder is the one who determines whether that snap actually turns into a successful kick or a wasted play.

A bad snap can still be saved by a good holder. A bad hold kills everything, no matter how good the snap was. That’s the difference between “specialized” and “important.”

I agree that both jobs are important

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:34 pm

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:32 pm

Yeah, the long snapper’s job is definitely more technical and requires specific training — nobody’s denying that.

But that doesn’t automatically make him more important. You can train a guy to snap a perfect ball, but the holder is the one who determines whether that snap actually turns into a successful kick or a wasted play.

A bad snap can still be saved by a good holder. A bad hold kills everything, no matter how good the snap was. That’s the difference between “specialized” and “important.”

I agree that both jobs are important

It is because you said the LS ir more important than the holder , I think it is the other way around. But it is all good bro.

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:38 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:34 pm

I agree that both jobs are important

It is because you said the LS ir more important than the holder , I think it is the other way around. But it is all good bro.

Yeah thats where we disagree, but we do agree that both jobs are important. But thats cool.

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:32 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:30 pm

True both jobs are important but adjusting the ball, holding it for the kicker, after the snap isn't a specialized skillset while being able to long snap it accurately and quickly to the holder is, which is why teams use a roster spot for a dedicated LS but not for a holder.

Yeah, the long snapper’s job is definitely more technical and requires specific training — nobody’s denying that.

But that doesn’t automatically make him more important. You can train a guy to snap a perfect ball, but the holder is the one who determines whether that snap actually turns into a successful kick or a wasted play.

A bad snap can still be saved by a good holder. A bad hold kills everything, no matter how good the snap was. That’s the difference between “specialized” and “important.”

Let's put it this way..lets take a poll and ask all 32 GMs and the 32 Head Coaches in the NFL..if they could have the absolute best Long Snapper in the game or they could the very best important Holder in the NFL who can save a bad snap from the Long Snapper..which position player would they pick?..Maybe you should try answering it truthfully also..all 3 positions are important..some are just more vital to a successful kicking game than others and being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3.

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 6:49 pm

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 5:40 pm

You really should just Stfu The holder can turn the ball so the laces face away from the kicker. Like I said, the holder can fix the long snapper’s mistake if needed. By simple logic, that makes him more important — sorry your brain isn’t capable of processing that.

You seem to be really in the minority here with your lack of common sense in regards to the NFL Kicking game. and if we were to compare ones Football IQ.. your brain has clearly lost out on this one..please do a little more research on the importance of a professional NFL Long Snappers job and then get back to me..there's literally dozens of Coaches and specialist camps who run Long Snapper classes to help develop these skills..I'm not familiar with any specific or special programs to develop a professional holder for the NFL are you?

Sounds like youre just arguing a point based on opinion. Its like arguing which position on the OL is most important, when in reality, if there is one broken piece, it impacts all the others.
One might argue that the LT is most important, but if the LG sucks, it doesn't matter what the LT does because the play is blown up.
So yea, its critical that the LS gets his job done right, but if the holder doesn't get the ball down, once again, the plays blown up. If the LS doesn't do their job, the play is probably blown up.
Just agree to disagree on your opinion.

CierraRam wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 3:50 pm I would like to add that the "Thiccer Kicker" seemed quicker to the ball than Karty. I don't know if anyone timed it. It seemed that way. And the above felt like a paper towel commercial or something.

The Thiccer, Quicker Kicker Picker Upper!

Now bring back our kicker. The 49'ers never did rush the kicker the entire game.

Now bring back our kicker. The 49'ers never did rush the kicker the entire game.

Henry VIII wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 8:49 pm

brasilrams wrote: ↑November 10th, 2025, 7:32 pm

Yeah, the long snapper’s job is definitely more technical and requires specific training — nobody’s denying that.

But that doesn’t automatically make him more important. You can train a guy to snap a perfect ball, but the holder is the one who determines whether that snap actually turns into a successful kick or a wasted play.

A bad snap can still be saved by a good holder. A bad hold kills everything, no matter how good the snap was. That’s the difference between “specialized” and “important.”

Let's put it this way..lets take a poll and ask all 32 GMs and the 32 Head Coaches in the NFL..if they could have the absolute best Long Snapper in the game or they could the very best important Holder in the NFL who can save a bad snap from the Long Snapper..which position player would they pick?..Maybe you should try answering it truthfully also..all 3 positions are important..some are just more vital to a successful kicking game than others and being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3.

"being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3."

That is just your opinion, not a fact.