Is Shanahan a Genius?

[UtahRam]

Bottom post of the previous page:

He's 11-8 vs McVay.

[Cornell29]

He's 11-8 vs McVay.

I don't think anyone here considers Mcvay a genius. I don't even think Andy Reid is a genius. When I think of genius, I think of someone who never gets out coached. Reid, Mcvay and Shanahan has all been out coached numerous times throughout their careers.

I really don't do head to head records to define a coach. Eagles former Hc, Doug Pederson was 3-1 vs Mcvay and he isn't even coaching anymore after getting repeatedly fired.

With that said Shanahan is a good coach.

[Ants]

Considering what he's done with that band of losers this year, I'd say he's a great coach.

[Truth]

He defined a genius tonight……..

Another great game by Shanahan with a lot at stake……..

How many points n yards did Rams have last Seattle game?………

Just tired of some can’t see the true Shanahan………

Shanahan will always be the coach that lost to Oatriots in the Super Bowl when they were winning 28-3. He probably learned from that situation but that was an epic loss.

He wasn’t the head coach of the Falcons.

Shanahan has been to 2 Super Bowls as HC
McVay has been to 2 Super Bowls as HC.

Shanahan is 0/2 on rings because he went up against Mahomes/Chiefs both times. Much easier opponent than the Bengals were who were only 10-7.

Luck of the draw when it comes to Super Bowl opponents.

[Cornell29]

Shanahan will always be the coach that lost to Oatriots in the Super Bowl when they were winning 28-3. He probably learned from that situation but that was an epic loss.

He wasn’t the head coach of the Falcons.

Shanahan has been to 2 Super Bowls as HC
McVay has been to 2 Super Bowls as HC.

Shanahan is 0/2 on rings because he went up against Mahomes/Chiefs both times. Much easier opponent than the Bengals were who were only 10-7.

Luck of the draw when it comes to Super Bowl opponents.

Huh??

So let me get this straight. The Rams were lucky bc they had to face the better team (the Bengals) in the SB. The same Bengals that beat the chiefs twice that year including knocking them out of the playoffs?

No need to minimize the Rams SB win. Bengals were better than the chiefs that year, despite their overall record. No reason to believe the Rams wouldn't have beat the chiefs that year, if the chiefs could have beat the Bengals to make the SB.

[Bulldawg]

Shanahan will always be the coach that lost to Oatriots in the Super Bowl when they were winning 28-3. He probably learned from that situation but that was an epic loss.

He wasn’t the head coach of the Falcons.

Shanahan has been to 2 Super Bowls as HC
McVay has been to 2 Super Bowls as HC.

Shanahan is 0/2 on rings because he went up against Mahomes/Chiefs both times. Much easier opponent than the Bengals were who were only 10-7.

Luck of the draw when it comes to Super Bowl opponents.

He was the OC and play caller. He made some really stupid decisions, especially on Falcons last drive. Yes, he was not the head coach, but his offense didn’t score another point. In FG position to when the game and he runs a pass play, gets a sack, then next play is fake start.

[NN1Badboy]

I wanted him to coach the Rams before he took over the 9ers job. His dad was a great coach in Denver and the apple didn't fall far from the tree. As much as I hate SF I have nothing bad to say about their coach. He seems to have McVay's number too.

[Truth]

He wasn’t the head coach of the Falcons.

Shanahan has been to 2 Super Bowls as HC
McVay has been to 2 Super Bowls as HC.

Shanahan is 0/2 on rings because he went up against Mahomes/Chiefs both times. Much easier opponent than the Bengals were who were only 10-7.

Luck of the draw when it comes to Super Bowl opponents.

Huh??

So let me get this straight. The Rams were lucky bc they had to face the better team (the Bengals) in the SB. The same Bengals that beat the chiefs twice that year including knocking them out of the playoffs?

No need to minimize the Rams SB win. Bengals were better than the chiefs that year, despite their overall record. No reason to believe the Rams wouldn't have beat the chiefs that year, if the chiefs could have beat the Bengals to make the SB.

I’m saying the Super Bowl champion 2019 Chiefs and 2023 Chiefs were a much better team that Shanahan had to face twice as his Super Bowl opponent than the 2022 10-7 Bengals.

Bengals had one of the worst regular season records to make a Super Bowl ever

If you think the 10-7 Bengals were the best team in the AFC that year they certainly were not.

[NorCal RF]

It’s amazing how people outside of the Bay Area continue to make excuses for him………

[Cornell29]

Huh??

So let me get this straight. The Rams were lucky bc they had to face the better team (the Bengals) in the SB. The same Bengals that beat the chiefs twice that year including knocking them out of the playoffs?

No need to minimize the Rams SB win. Bengals were better than the chiefs that year, despite their overall record. No reason to believe the Rams wouldn't have beat the chiefs that year, if the chiefs could have beat the Bengals to make the SB.

I’m saying the Super Bowl champion 2019 Chiefs and 2023 Chiefs were a much better team that Shanahan had to face twice as his Super Bowl opponent than the 2022 10-7 Bengals.

Bengals had one of the worst regular season records to make a Super Bowl ever

If you think the 10-7 Bengals were the best team in the AFC that year they certainly were not.

Who was? Bengals beat the chiefs twice that year.

[Truth]

I’m saying the Super Bowl champion 2019 Chiefs and 2023 Chiefs were a much better team that Shanahan had to face twice as his Super Bowl opponent than the 2022 10-7 Bengals.

Bengals had one of the worst regular season records to make a Super Bowl ever

If you think the 10-7 Bengals were the best team in the AFC that year they certainly were not.

Who was? Bengals beat the chiefs twice that year.

The Bills were. They had a 194 point differential that season. That lead the entire NFL by a huge amount.

In the AFC:

Bills -194
Patriots- 159
Chiefs 116
Colts 86
Bengals 84

Rams got the 5th best team in the AFC as their opponent that season.

That’s a little different than playing a Super Bowl Dynasty team that went to 5/6 Super Bowls and have a Hall of Fame QB twice.


The Rams got the weakest AFC Champion in years. 49ers simply had a much tougher opponent. If they get a 10-7 Bengals team that was 5th in the AFC in point differential Shanahan probably has a ring too

[NorCal RF]

Could have, should have BS…………

I guess it’s the Rams fault they played Cincy in the SB……….

Oh Shanahan. Wasn’t he the one who crapped his pants in the 4th quarter of the NFC Championship game that same year? He put on a clinic that quarter on how not to call plays in order to get your team to the SB. But hey if he could have played Cincy…………

Bleeping insane how we forget he would have played Cincy if it wasnt for his own doing…………..

[Cornell29]

Who was? Bengals beat the chiefs twice that year.

The Bills were. They had a 194 point differential that season. That lead the entire NFL by a huge amount.

In the AFC:

Bills -194
Patriots- 159
Chiefs 116
Colts 86
Bengals 84

Rams got the 5th best team in the AFC as their opponent that season.

That’s a little different than playing a Super Bowl Dynasty team that went to 5/6 Super Bowls and have a Hall of Fame QB twice.


The Rams got the weakest AFC Champion in years. 49ers simply had a much tougher opponent. If they get a 10-7 Bengals team that was 5th in the AFC in point differential Shanahan probably has a ring too

Regular season stats and records doesn't determine who is the best in the NFL. SB does. If it did then the Rams wasn't the best team in the NFC or NFL despite winning the Superbowl. Rams didn't have the best record and didn't have the best point differential.


Rams faced the team that beat the chiefs twice and made the SB. They played the best in the AFC that year.

No reason for me to think that the Rams wouldn't have beat the chiefs or Buffalo that year, if they won the AFC.

[Truth]

They played the best in the AFC that year.

What you are claiming is akin to this:

The Packers have the 6th best point differential in the NFC this year. If they somehow make the Super Bowl, are you really going to claim they were the best team in the NFC?

Nobody else would think that. They’d think it was a fluke they made it, and whatever AFC team faces them would have gotten a cakewalk draw in the Super Bowl.

AFC team isn’t gonna be thinking wow “we got our hands full with this mediocre Packers team”. They are gonna be grateful they didn’t have to face the Rams, Seahawks, or Eagles.

[Cornell29]

They played the best in the AFC that year.

What you are claiming is akin to this:

The Packers have the 6th best point differential in the NFC this year. If they somehow make the Super Bowl, are you really going to claim they were the best team in the NFC?

Nobody else would think that. They’d think it was a fluke they made it, and whatever AFC team faces them would have gotten a cakewalk draw in the Super Bowl.

They played the team that made the SB including the team that won the SB the previous year twice.

It you are using regular season point differential and regular season record, rather then who won in the playoffs, to determine who was the best team that year, then the Rams wasn't the best team despite winning in the playoffs, bc they didn't win point differential in the regular season that year or have the best record.

I guess the Bill was, using your logic. Maybe you need to tell the Bills that, so their fans would feel better about not having a SB trophie.

[brasilrams]

SF should have lost by a good 20 points tonight, but Shanahan and Saleh have been able to get so much out of their wounded team and backups. Two Myers missed field goals didn’t help. But tonight Seattle was just too strong, and S.F. finally looked beaten up. They just looked done. Also, Shanahan has been really dependent on McCaffrey opening up the offense. That didn’t happen tonight. It almost did, but then the interception happened. Shanahan has done amazing things this year, but Seattle may have done the Rams a few favors tonight because S.F. will be more wounded than ever going to the playoffs. Seattle’s physicality outplayed Shanahan’s smarts. Why can’t the Rams be that physical? Bethune and Winters were both knocked out of the game. Did anyone else think that Purdy wasn’t getting up after his final pass?

They almost killed him in that final pass. LEgal HIT but the kind of hit that messes up with your QB's head and makes him play scared the entire game ( and the game was about to end anyway so that was not even needed lol ) . Seattle is just too physical . I would LOVE for the rams to have that physicality but the last player on the rams that could lay a good hit was NICK SCOTT

[brasilrams]

you are showing your true hatred for the Niners and it's clouding your judgement. Those so called local writers are fuckin idiots. Sorry bro but this team is a freakin mash unit right now. Didn't perform??? They went 12-5....
Out 2 OL....Trent Williams the best LT in the game didn't even play
No Aiyuk for the year/ Pearsall out
Kittle at 60% if that..
Defense...do I really need to get into how may starters are on IR??
And I hate the Niners with a passion but even I acknowledge the fact of what he did this year. You could argue this was his best coaching job ever as the HC of this team
I hate the 49ers with a passion but I at least acknowledge the fact that he probably has done his best coaching job this year....seriously

No one is questioning their record, their injuries, or the overall job he has done. But the writers here who have followed this team for years are not idiots. They know in big games he has either disappeared with his play calling most of the game or in the 4th quarter. How many SB wins does he have as a HC? When does he become responsible for the answer being zero? Never?……..

And you know what they say about McVay here? 581 total yards last game against Seattle n 37 points with no Adams n most of the game no Dotson. It’s not like the Niners were without their starting QB tonight or their star RB, or their star TE………

173 yards total tonight n 3 points. And not one rushing first down. I think they said first time that has happen to the niners since 1969…….

Rams would still be stuck one one SB win if Shanahan was this teams HC instead of McVay……..

Agree with 99 % , just disagree with the last sentence . I would change the last sentence to " Rams would still be stuck on ONE SB if they didn't have Aaron Donald to close both NFCCG and SB " That is the guy MOSTLY responsible for the SB win , not Mcvay or even Stafford or even Kupp.

[Cornell29]

SF should have lost by a good 20 points tonight, but Shanahan and Saleh have been able to get so much out of their wounded team and backups. Two Myers missed field goals didn’t help. But tonight Seattle was just too strong, and S.F. finally looked beaten up. They just looked done. Also, Shanahan has been really dependent on McCaffrey opening up the offense. That didn’t happen tonight. It almost did, but then the interception happened. Shanahan has done amazing things this year, but Seattle may have done the Rams a few favors tonight because S.F. will be more wounded than ever going to the playoffs. Seattle’s physicality outplayed Shanahan’s smarts. Why can’t the Rams be that physical? Bethune and Winters were both knocked out of the game. Did anyone else think that Purdy wasn’t getting up after his final pass?

They almost killed him in that final pass. LEgal HIT but the kind of hit that messes up with your QB's head and makes him play scared the entire game ( and the game was about to end anyway so that was not even needed lol ) . Seattle is just too physical . I would LOVE for the rams to have that physicality but the last player on the rams that could lay a good hit was NICK SCOTT

I don't know what their grades are, but I like Nick "The Brick" Scott over Kam Curl.

[Truth]

What you are claiming is akin to this:

The Packers have the 6th best point differential in the NFC this year. If they somehow make the Super Bowl, are you really going to claim they were the best team in the NFC?

Nobody else would think that. They’d think it was a fluke they made it, and whatever AFC team faces them would have gotten a cakewalk draw in the Super Bowl.

They played the team that made the SB including the team that won the SB the previous year twice.

It you are using regular season point differential and regular season record, rather then who won in the playoffs, to determine who was the best team that year, then the Rams wasn't the best team despite winning in the playoffs, bc they didn't win point differential in the regular season that year or have the best record.

I guess the Bill was, using your logic. Maybe you need to tell the Bills that, so their fans would feel better about not having a SB trophie.

So just so we’re clear, if the Green Bay Packers this year, who are 9-7-1 (very similar to the 2021 Bengals), if they make the Super Bowl, then you are going to say they are better than the Rams, Seahawks, and Eagles. Are you going to say that?

Just yes or no.

[Cornell29]

They played the team that made the SB including the team that won the SB the previous year twice.

It you are using regular season point differential and regular season record, rather then who won in the playoffs, to determine who was the best team that year, then the Rams wasn't the best team despite winning in the playoffs, bc they didn't win point differential in the regular season that year or have the best record.

I guess the Bill was, using your logic. Maybe you need to tell the Bills that, so their fans would feel better about not having a SB trophie.

So just so we’re clear, if the Green Bay Packers this year, who are 9-7-1 (very similar to the 2021 Bengals), if they make the Super Bowl, then you are going to say they are better than the Rams, Seahawks, and Eagles. Are you going to say that?

Just yes or no.

If Green Bay beats Eagles, Seahawks and Rams to get to the SB, yes.

No analysts or taking head would say "Green Bay won the SB, but they wasn't the best team in the NFL bc of their regular season record and points differential'

For example when Rams lost SB in 2001, no one cared about how the Rams had one of the best point differentials and records. And how NE didn't have the best point differential and record during the regular season (that was the raiders) NE won the SB and they were the champions and Belichek and Brady era began. Raiders and Rams were looked at as losers, despite their overall record and points differential during the regular season.

[Truth]

So just so we’re clear, if the Green Bay Packers this year, who are 9-7-1 (very similar to the 2021 Bengals), if they make the Super Bowl, then you are going to say they are better than the Rams, Seahawks, and Eagles. Are you going to say that?

Just yes or no.

If Green Bay beats Eagles, Seahawks and Rams to get to the SB, yes.

No analysts or taking head would say "Green Bay won the SB, but they wasn't the best team in the NFL bc of their regular season record and points differential'

Well in my comparison, they’d lose the Super Bowl like the Bengals did.

And I think plenty of analysts, if the Packers as a 9-7-1 NFC representative, would say they weren’t the best team in the NFC despite getting to the Super Bowl.

And I guarantee the Broncos are probably looking at the Eagles/Seahawks/Rams/49ers/Bears/Packers/Panthers….that whole group. Nobody in the AFC is saying the Packers are the best team in the NFC after 18 weeks. So why would that thought change after 3 playoff weeks? Even if they happen to get hot. What’s a more relevant sample size? 18 weeks or 3 weeks?

Did you think the 2021 Bengals were the best team in the AFC before the playoffs started that year? I can’t imagine anyone would have that opinion.

[Cornell29]

If Green Bay beats Eagles, Seahawks and Rams to get to the SB, yes.

No analysts or taking head would say "Green Bay won the SB, but they wasn't the best team in the NFL bc of their regular season record and points differential'

Well in my comparison, they’d lose the Super Bowl like the Bengals did.

And I think plenty of analysts, if the Packers as a 9-7-1 NFC representative, would say they weren’t the best team in the NFC despite getting to the Super Bowl.










Do you think the #1

Who said that when the Pats won the SB in 2001 despite not having the best record and points differential? Rams and Raiders had the best points during differential and records and no one could care less l, there isn't any banner for that., and after the Pats SB won, no one cared. Patriots was looked at as SB champions and best team in NFL. Every ring, including the one Brady got in 2001 counts, despite the Pats not having the best record or point differential in 2001.

[Truth]

The fact you can’t admit that the 10-7 Bengals were a weak AFC opponent despite every stat saying that exact thing makes me think you aren’t being honest or just wanna argue.

If the Packers make a miracle run to the Super Bowl and then lose, plenty of people will say how fortunate the AFC champion was to not have to face the Rams/Seahawks/Eagles. I’ll certainly say it. And that’s exactly what happened with the 2021 Rams, and what didn’t happen for the 2019 and 2023 49ers. Whether you wanna admit or not.

Not every AFC Champion is of the same caliber. Most times one of the top 2 teams make it. But in 2021 that didn’t happen and the Rams benefitted. Could the Rams have beaten the Bills? Maybe. But the fact they got the 10-7 Bengals made it a much easier game. Shanahan ran into prime Mahomes twice. That’s again, the luck of the draw

[Cornell29]

The fact you can’t admit that the 10-7 Bengals were a weak AFC opponent despite every stat saying that exact thing makes me think you aren’t being honest or just wanna argue.

If the Packers make a miracle run to the Super Bowl and then lose, plenty of people will say how fortunate the AFC champion was to not have to face the Rams/Seahawks/Eagles. I’ll certainly say it. And that’s exactly what happened with the 2021 Rams, and what didn’t happen for the 2019 and 2023 49ers. Whether you wanna admit or not.

Not every AFC Champion is of the same caliber. Most times one of the top 2 teams make it. But in 2021 that didn’t happen and the Rams benefitted. Could the Rams have beaten the Bills? Maybe. But the fact they got the 10-7 Bengals made it a much easier game. Shanahan ran into prime Mahomes twice. That’s again, the luck of the draw

We just agree to disagree

[NorCal RF]

No one is questioning their record, their injuries, or the overall job he has done. But the writers here who have followed this team for years are not idiots. They know in big games he has either disappeared with his play calling most of the game or in the 4th quarter. How many SB wins does he have as a HC? When does he become responsible for the answer being zero? Never?……..

And you know what they say about McVay here? 581 total yards last game against Seattle n 37 points with no Adams n most of the game no Dotson. It’s not like the Niners were without their starting QB tonight or their star RB, or their star TE………

173 yards total tonight n 3 points. And not one rushing first down. I think they said first time that has happen to the niners since 1969…….

Rams would still be stuck one one SB win if Shanahan was this teams HC instead of McVay……..

Agree with 99 % , just disagree with the last sentence . I would change the last sentence to " Rams would still be stuck on ONE SB if they didn't have Aaron Donald to close both NFCCG and SB " That is the guy MOSTLY responsible for the SB win , not Mcvay or even Stafford or even Kupp.

And I will disagree with your 1% lol. Tampa playoff game last drive. 4th quarter NFCCG. 4th quarter SB. I think Kupp n Stafford were equally as large. I’d even say if we could , n we can’t lol, to go ask AD…….

I say let’s agree that all 3 players are the reason and then we can decide if McVay is included. He is included with me…….

[NorCal RF]

The fact you can’t admit that the 10-7 Bengals were a weak AFC opponent despite every stat saying that exact thing makes me think you aren’t being honest or just wanna argue.

If the Packers make a miracle run to the Super Bowl and then lose, plenty of people will say how fortunate the AFC champion was to not have to face the Rams/Seahawks/Eagles. I’ll certainly say it. And that’s exactly what happened with the 2021 Rams, and what didn’t happen for the 2019 and 2023 49ers. Whether you wanna admit or not.

Not every AFC Champion is of the same caliber. Most times one of the top 2 teams make it. But in 2021 that didn’t happen and the Rams benefitted. Could the Rams have beaten the Bills? Maybe. But the fact they got the 10-7 Bengals made it a much easier game. Shanahan ran into prime Mahomes twice. That’s again, the luck of the draw

We just agree to disagree

Interesting how he didn’t reply back to my comment…..

[DelMar]

We just agree to disagree

Interesting how he didn’t reply back to my comment…..

Hey, maybe if you and Cornell keep going… you might get blocked by Truth. I mean, you just might miss his kind and courteous responses, I know I sure do.

(Not really)

[brasilrams]

Agree with 99 % , just disagree with the last sentence . I would change the last sentence to " Rams would still be stuck on ONE SB if they didn't have Aaron Donald to close both NFCCG and SB " That is the guy MOSTLY responsible for the SB win , not Mcvay or even Stafford or even Kupp.

And I will disagree with your 1% lol. Tampa playoff game last drive. 4th quarter NFCCG. 4th quarter SB. I think Kupp n Stafford were equally as large. I’d even say if we could , n we can’t lol, to go ask AD…….

I say let’s agree that all 3 players are the reason and then we can decide if McVay is included. He is included with me…….

That is fair . Without those 3 = no SB . I still think AD was a bit more important then those 2 . Mcvay can be included , he is a very good coach overall ( bad talent evaluator more often than not ) , but AD was just a CHEAT code , about a DOZEN HC is this league would be able to win a SB with AD ( best Defender of all time BY A MILE ) + Staff ( future HOF ) + KUpp ( triple crown winner ) + Miller AND Ramsey at their prime..etc..etc....

[NorCal RF]

Interesting how he didn’t reply back to my comment…..

Hey, maybe if you and Cornell keep going… you might get blocked by Truth. I mean, you just might miss his kind and courteous responses, I know I sure do.

(Not really)

I’m probably already blocked……..

He is with me but I can’t help myself n open up his replies……….

[CASCADE_RAM]

I've always respected what Shanny brings to the table. He's a great coach. Can't think of a coach who's done more with less than Shanny.

[Truth]

And I will disagree with your 1% lol. Tampa playoff game last drive. 4th quarter NFCCG. 4th quarter SB. I think Kupp n Stafford were equally as large. I’d even say if we could , n we can’t lol, to go ask AD…….

I say let’s agree that all 3 players are the reason and then we can decide if McVay is included. He is included with me…….

That is fair . Without those 3 = no SB . I still think AD was a bit more important then those 2 . Mcvay can be included , he is a very good coach overall ( bad talent evaluator more often than not ) , but AD was just a CHEAT code , about a DOZEN HC is this league would be able to win a SB with AD ( best Defender of all time BY A MILE ) + Staff ( future HOF ) + KUpp ( triple crown winner ) + Miller AND Ramsey at their prime..etc..etc....

I don’t know how anyone could blame Shanahan for losing to the 2021 Rams or each Chiefs team. The Chiefs were simply better (much like the 2018 Patriots were better than the Rams). That was a Dynasty team. Similar to the Chiefs. Is anyone holding it against McVay that he didn’t win that game? Does it diminish his coaching prowess? Not in my mind


IIRC, the 49ers safety dropped a for sure INT that would have iced the game vs the Rams. How is that Shanahan’s fault?