Rams cut Ward

[brasilrams]

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Yeah, the long snapper’s job is definitely more technical and requires specific training — nobody’s denying that.

But that doesn’t automatically make him more important. You can train a guy to snap a perfect ball, but the holder is the one who determines whether that snap actually turns into a successful kick or a wasted play.

A bad snap can still be saved by a good holder. A bad hold kills everything, no matter how good the snap was. That’s the difference between “specialized” and “important.”

Let's put it this way..lets take a poll and ask all 32 GMs and the 32 Head Coaches in the NFL..if they could have the absolute best Long Snapper in the game or they could the very best important Holder in the NFL who can save a bad snap from the Long Snapper..which position player would they pick?..Maybe you should try answering it truthfully also..all 3 positions are important..some are just more vital to a successful kicking game than others and being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3.

"being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3."

That is just your opinion, not a fact.

[brasilrams]

You seem to be really in the minority here with your lack of common sense in regards to the NFL Kicking game. and if we were to compare ones Football IQ.. your brain has clearly lost out on this one..please do a little more research on the importance of a professional NFL Long Snappers job and then get back to me..there's literally dozens of Coaches and specialist camps who run Long Snapper classes to help develop these skills..I'm not familiar with any specific or special programs to develop a professional holder for the NFL are you?

Sounds like youre just arguing a point based on opinion. Its like arguing which position on the OL is most important, when in reality, if there is one broken piece, it impacts all the others.
One might argue that the LT is most important, but if the LG sucks, it doesn't matter what the LT does because the play is blown up.
So yea, its critical that the LS gets his job done right, but if the holder doesn't get the ball down, once again, the plays blown up. If the LS doesn't do their job, the play is probably blown up.
Just agree to disagree on your opinion.

Exactly.

[Henry VIII]

Let's put it this way..lets take a poll and ask all 32 GMs and the 32 Head Coaches in the NFL..if they could have the absolute best Long Snapper in the game or they could the very best important Holder in the NFL who can save a bad snap from the Long Snapper..which position player would they pick?..Maybe you should try answering it truthfully also..all 3 positions are important..some are just more vital to a successful kicking game than others and being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3.

"being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3."

That is just your opinion, not a fact.

It is a fact..and its a known fact throughout the NFL..only people who have to ride in the little yellow bus world would think its an opinion..name the top 5 holders in the NFL? You can name the top 5 Long Snappers pretty easily. Andrew DePaola, Luke Rhodes, Jon Weeks, JJ Jansen and James Winchester..name the top 5 Holders ?, ?, ?, ? and I'm pretty sure ? Yes there's a few who've done it a long time..but its not a specialized skillset or position i.e. less important sorry that's a fact not a opinion. Hey here's a fun fact..does the NFL have a position for a Holder at the Pro Bowl? They do for the Long Snapper! The holder is a role within the team!..and not specific position = less important much like the water boy or towel girl..but hey you know what they say about opinions right..everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to their own facts.

[DelMar]

I would like to add that the "Thiccer Kicker" seemed quicker to the ball than Karty. I don't know if anyone timed it. It seemed that way. And the above felt like a paper towel commercial or something.

The Thiccer, Quicker Kicker Picker Upper!

[bigklein]

I’m a lifelong learner.

[brasilrams]

"being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3."

That is just your opinion, not a fact.

It is a fact..and its a known fact throughout the NFL..only people who have to ride in the little yellow bus world would think its an opinion..name the top 5 holders in the NFL? You can name the top 5 Long Snappers pretty easily. Andrew DePaola, Luke Rhodes, Jon Weeks, JJ Jansen and James Winchester..name the top 5 Holders ?, ?, ?, ? and I'm pretty sure ? Yes there's a few who've done it a long time..but its not a specialized skillset or position i.e. less important sorry that's a fact not a opinion. Hey here's a fun fact..does the NFL have a position for a Holder at the Pro Bowl? They do for the Long Snapper! The holder is a role within the team!..and not specific position = less important much like the water boy or towel girl..but hey you know what they say about opinions right..everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to their own facts.

Funny how you keep calling your opinion a “fact,” when there’s literally zero evidence that “the whole NFL” believes the long snapper is more important. You made that up and decided it was truth — that’s not how facts work. Sorry.

Yes, the long snapper’s job is specialized. Nobody’s arguing that. But importance is measured by impact, not by job description. The holder is the last line before the kick — if he fails, the play dies, period.

So no, repeating the same claim over and over doesn’t make it factual. It just makes it louder. And in this case, still wrong.

Oh and The fact that you can name five long snappers but can’t name five holders doesn’t prove they’re less important — it just proves you don’t understand how football hierarchy actually works.

[Henry VIII]

It is a fact..and its a known fact throughout the NFL..only people who have to ride in the little yellow bus world would think its an opinion..name the top 5 holders in the NFL? You can name the top 5 Long Snappers pretty easily. Andrew DePaola, Luke Rhodes, Jon Weeks, JJ Jansen and James Winchester..name the top 5 Holders ?, ?, ?, ? and I'm pretty sure ? Yes there's a few who've done it a long time..but its not a specialized skillset or position i.e. less important sorry that's a fact not a opinion. Hey here's a fun fact..does the NFL have a position for a Holder at the Pro Bowl? They do for the Long Snapper! The holder is a role within the team!..and not specific position = less important much like the water boy or towel girl..but hey you know what they say about opinions right..everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to their own facts.

Funny how you keep calling your opinion a “fact,” when there’s literally zero evidence that “the whole NFL” believes the long snapper is more important. You made that up and decided it was truth — that’s not how facts work. Sorry.

Yes, the long snapper’s job is specialized. Nobody’s arguing that. But importance is measured by impact, not by job description. The holder is the last line before the kick — if he fails, the play dies, period.

So no, repeating the same claim over and over doesn’t make it factual. It just makes it louder. And in this case, still wrong.

Oh and The fact that you can name five long snappers but can’t name five holders doesn’t prove they’re less important — it just proves you don’t understand how football hierarchy actually works.

This post is laughable to say the least..the fact that the NFL has a designated Pro Bowl position for the Long Snapper but not the holder is a fact! and it shows the importance of the Long Snapper compared to the holder fact!..the fact the place holder is only considered a role within the team and not a dedicated position shows how limited your kicking knowledge is..but there's an old saying and it goes..Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. Of the 3 players involved in the kicking game who's job is the easiest to be replaced by any other player on the team? I'll give you a chance to fact check your way out of this one..

[Ramsfan08ny]

It is a fact..and its a known fact throughout the NFL..only people who have to ride in the little yellow bus world would think its an opinion..name the top 5 holders in the NFL? You can name the top 5 Long Snappers pretty easily. Andrew DePaola, Luke Rhodes, Jon Weeks, JJ Jansen and James Winchester..name the top 5 Holders ?, ?, ?, ? and I'm pretty sure ? Yes there's a few who've done it a long time..but its not a specialized skillset or position i.e. less important sorry that's a fact not a opinion. Hey here's a fun fact..does the NFL have a position for a Holder at the Pro Bowl? They do for the Long Snapper! The holder is a role within the team!..and not specific position = less important much like the water boy or towel girl..but hey you know what they say about opinions right..everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to their own facts.

Funny how you keep calling your opinion a “fact,” when there’s literally zero evidence that “the whole NFL” believes the long snapper is more important. You made that up and decided it was truth — that’s not how facts work. Sorry.

Yes, the long snapper’s job is specialized. Nobody’s arguing that. But importance is measured by impact, not by job description. The holder is the last line before the kick — if he fails, the play dies, period.

So no, repeating the same claim over and over doesn’t make it factual. It just makes it louder. And in this case, still wrong.

Oh and The fact that you can name five long snappers but can’t name five holders doesn’t prove they’re less important — it just proves you don’t understand how football hierarchy actually works.

Its because he only chose to Google "long snappers". I could Google "5 best gunners on special teams". Id get an answer. It still doesn't mean they're the most important.

[Henry VIII]

Funny how you keep calling your opinion a “fact,” when there’s literally zero evidence that “the whole NFL” believes the long snapper is more important. You made that up and decided it was truth — that’s not how facts work. Sorry.

Yes, the long snapper’s job is specialized. Nobody’s arguing that. But importance is measured by impact, not by job description. The holder is the last line before the kick — if he fails, the play dies, period.

So no, repeating the same claim over and over doesn’t make it factual. It just makes it louder. And in this case, still wrong.

Oh and The fact that you can name five long snappers but can’t name five holders doesn’t prove they’re less important — it just proves you don’t understand how football hierarchy actually works.

Its because he only chose to Google "long snappers". I could Google "5 best gunners on special teams". Id get an answer. It still doesn't mean they're the most important.

Sure I use Google..but I'm also a big fan of the Long snapper’s position. But it doesn't change the fact the LS position is well known..whereas the holder is only a place card at the adults table..and there's facts on Google to support the importance of the Long snapper’s position..but not much on holders..lol

[crazy-legs]

I still dont think Mcvay trusts the kicking game. He had a few times to attempt a fg, instead he went for it on 4th.

Maybe he was just being aggressive or maybe he just trusts the ball in Stafford hands more then the fg unit.

Time will tell

I know it would of only been a 35 yard kick but I was kind of hoping McVay would of trotted out the FG unit at the end of the Whinners game just to get Mevis a NFL field goal under his belt...

I think we need to stick with this kid. He was one of the top 2 kickers in the UFL and was money from beyond 50 yards...

[GoldenRam]

Let's put it this way..lets take a poll and ask all 32 GMs and the 32 Head Coaches in the NFL..if they could have the absolute best Long Snapper in the game or they could the very best important Holder in the NFL who can save a bad snap from the Long Snapper..which position player would they pick?..Maybe you should try answering it truthfully also..all 3 positions are important..some are just more vital to a successful kicking game than others and being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3.

"being the best holder in the NFL is the least of the 3."

That is just your opinion, not a fact.

I agree. There really is NO lesser of three evils here. One of those three, off even a tick means the whole structure fails. Kickers like the ball a certain way, getting it their way improves possibility of successful kicks, so the holder is extremely important, as is the actual hold. McQuaide, Hekker, Zuerlein/Gay was pretty much money in their days. I trust McQuaide WAY more than Ward as a snapper, and I don't see Evans as being near as good as Hekker was and Hekker worked with multiple kickers. Need to see it for what it is, a SYSTEM, not just three disparate parts that can be swapped in and out at will.

[brasilrams]

Funny how you keep calling your opinion a “fact,” when there’s literally zero evidence that “the whole NFL” believes the long snapper is more important. You made that up and decided it was truth — that’s not how facts work. Sorry.

Yes, the long snapper’s job is specialized. Nobody’s arguing that. But importance is measured by impact, not by job description. The holder is the last line before the kick — if he fails, the play dies, period.

So no, repeating the same claim over and over doesn’t make it factual. It just makes it louder. And in this case, still wrong.

Oh and The fact that you can name five long snappers but can’t name five holders doesn’t prove they’re less important — it just proves you don’t understand how football hierarchy actually works.

This post is laughable to say the least..the fact that the NFL has a designated Pro Bowl position for the Long Snapper but not the holder is a fact! and it shows the importance of the Long Snapper compared to the holder fact!..the fact the place holder is only considered a role within the team and not a dedicated position shows how limited your kicking knowledge is..but there's an old saying and it goes..Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. Of the 3 players involved in the kicking game who's job is the easiest to be replaced by any other player on the team? I'll give you a chance to fact check your way out of this one..

the “Pro Bowl position” argument — that’s your mic drop? That’s hilarious.

By that logic, the NFL must think gunners, personal protectors, and half the special teams unit don’t matter either, since they don’t get a Pro Bowl spot. Brilliant analysis.

You keep repeating “it’s a fact” like you’re casting a spell, but saying something louder doesn’t make it factual. The holder’s importance isn’t defined by a roster label — it’s defined by what happens when he screws up (hint: the whole play dies).

The long snapper starts the sequence; the holder saves it. One sets the table, the other keeps dinner from falling on the floor. But hey, if you honestly think titles on a Pro Bowl ballot determine value, that explains a lot about your “football knowledge.

[bigklein]

This is getting good!