Beaux Limmer and Coleman Shelton

[brasilrams]

There’s a LOT to be happy about from the game yesterday, but I’m very concerned about these two. Both played terribly. Shelton allowed multiple pressures, and Limmer got called for holding on a crucial play, then gave up a sack right after. Not to mention, he’s basically (key word) the reason we lost to the Eagles last year in the playoffs. I say “basically” because you win and lose as a team, but he gave up a direct lane to Stafford on the most crucial play of the game.

PFF grades :

Shelton

OVERALL GRADE
51.1
AVG
17th/18 Cs

PASS BLOCKING GRADE
56.3
AVG
14th/18 Cs

RUN BLOCKING GRADE
49.0
AVG
16th/18 Cs

Penalties - 0
Sacks allowed - 0


Limmer

OVERALL GRADE
52.6
AVG
15th/18 Cs

PASS BLOCKING GRADE
62.8
AVG
11th/18 Cs

RUN BLOCKING GRADE
61.6
AVG
9th/18 Cs

Penalties - 1
Sacks allowed - 1

[ocram23]

what is the update on Avila?

[bigklein]

Losing Avila and then Dotson was pretty huge. Plus the rust against some tough Texans. Let’s reassess next week.

[brasilrams]

what is the update on Avila?

Not sure , but I think Avila will be fine since he returned to the game . I am more concerned with DOtson .

[brasilrams]

Shelton rated 17 out of 18 centers. Damn . It is one game and maybe he can improve , but maybe it was a mistake to bring him back. He was never that good to begin with .

[Slickjack]

I am not a big oline afficianado but even I could see he had a bad game. Maybe there are valid reasons he was picked in the 6th round.

[SoCalRam78]

Shelton was okay first stint here

[RamPower]

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/story/ ... 042862007/

Top 5 offense

QB Matthew Stafford: 92.9
WR Puka Nacua: 91.6
RG Kevin Dotson: 75.4
OL Beaux Limmer: 70.7
LG Steve Avila: 69.7

Dotson, Limmer and Avila all stood out on the interior, mostly for their run blocking. Limmer's 89.9 run-blocking grade was the only Rams player with a grade higher than 72 in that department. Limmer and Dotson each allowed two pressures, and Avila gave up none.

[NN1Badboy]

Shelton rated 17 out of 18 centers. Damn . It is one game and maybe he can improve , but maybe it was a mistake to bring him back. He was never that good to begin with .

I really didn't understand this move at all. Maybe they liked his experience but I thought letting Limmer grow into the position would have been a better option. But the whole game was sloppy. Just like every year, McVay rests his starters all preseason then when it comes game time, they are trying to shake off all the rust the first couple of games. Hopefully next weeks game will be a little easier for us and we can start prepping for the big game against Philadelphia.

[brasilrams]

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/story/ ... 042862007/

Top 5 offense

QB Matthew Stafford: 92.9
WR Puka Nacua: 91.6
RG Kevin Dotson: 75.4
OL Beaux Limmer: 70.7
LG Steve Avila: 69.7

Dotson, Limmer and Avila all stood out on the interior, mostly for their run blocking. Limmer's 89.9 run-blocking grade was the only Rams player with a grade higher than 72 in that department. Limmer and Dotson each allowed two pressures, and Avila gave up none.

PFF oficial website has VERY different grades for Limmer :


https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/beaux-limmer/99067

His overrall grade is 52.6 , not 70.7 . And his run blocking grade was NOT 89.9 , but 61.6.

[brasilrams]

Shelton was okay first stint here

How do you like that wrong snap that almost sent the ball inside the endzone , stafford had to chase the ball , we lost 15 yards and stafford took a bad hit ?

[RamPower]

Shelton was okay first stint here

How do you like that wrong snap that almost sent the ball inside the endzone , stafford had to chase the ball , we lost 15 yards and stafford took a bad hit ?

Stafford is a great athlete/great snag off the bounce there, but still the very lucky bounce. That could have been the game difference no doubt.

Can't say I'm a fan of Shelton = lots to prove for me to get there (i.e. current weakest link).

[NorCal RF]

Limmer I refuse to give up on. We need to let go of the Philly playoff game. He had a lot of good play last year.

Shelton I was glad when he left and not glad when he returned. I thought it was strictly a back-up role when they rerequired him. . He couldn’t even solidify a role on a bad Chicago team.

The entire league has OL issues especially the 2nd unit. We are apart of the entire league…………..

[brasilrams]

Limmer I refuse to give up on. We need to let go of the Philly playoff game. He had a lot of good play last year.

Shelton I was glad when he left and not glad when he returned. I thought it was strictly a back-up role when they rerequired him. . He couldn’t even solidify a role on a bad Chicago team.

The entire league has OL issues especially the 2nd unit. We are apart of the entire league…………..

Let’s see how Limmer performs this season, but I didn’t like his first game. He needs to play better, in my opinion, if he wants us to forget about the Philly game. As for Shelton, it’s very concerning that he’s our number one center. The center position is even more important than LT/RT — a pocket passer’s worst nightmare is pressure up the middle.

Hopefully Limmer's story is different than McClendon .

[NorCal RF]

Limmer I refuse to give up on. We need to let go of the Philly playoff game. He had a lot of good play last year.

Shelton I was glad when he left and not glad when he returned. I thought it was strictly a back-up role when they rerequired him. . He couldn’t even solidify a role on a bad Chicago team.

The entire league has OL issues especially the 2nd unit. We are apart of the entire league…………..

Let’s see how Limmer performs this season, but I didn’t like his first game. He needs to play better, in my opinion, if he wants us to forget about the Philly game. As for Shelton, it’s very concerning that he’s our number one center. The center position is even more important than LT/RT — a pocket passer’s worst nightmare is pressure up the middle.

Hopefully Limmer's story is different than McClendon .

Understood………..

I though, because of my years of coaching, dont give up on players. Limmer just started his second year. Again that 3 year window that most agree with……………

Hell I’m not throwing the towel in on McClendon yet…………….

[brasilrams]

Let’s see how Limmer performs this season, but I didn’t like his first game. He needs to play better, in my opinion, if he wants us to forget about the Philly game. As for Shelton, it’s very concerning that he’s our number one center. The center position is even more important than LT/RT — a pocket passer’s worst nightmare is pressure up the middle.

Hopefully Limmer's story is different than McClendon .

Understood………..

I though, because of my years of coaching, dont give up on players. Limmer just started his second year. Again that 3 year window that most agree with……………

Hell I’m not throwing the towel in on McClendon yet…………….

I didn't give up on limmer yet , but he needs to impress me this year , or else I will . I gave up on McClendon last year after he performed as bad as noteboom . I am a little less tolerant when it comes to O line players ( when compared to other positions ) , since O line is actually the most important unit in the team. With a bad o line you can't pass or run , and then , you can't score , and then you can't win . It all starts with them .

[NorCal RF]

Understood………..

I though, because of my years of coaching, dont give up on players. Limmer just started his second year. Again that 3 year window that most agree with……………

Hell I’m not throwing the towel in on McClendon yet…………….

I didn't give up on limmer yet , but he needs to impress me this year , or else I will . I gave up on McClendon last year after he performed as bad as noteboom . I am a little less tolerant when it comes to O line players ( when compared to other positions ) , since O line is actually the most important unit in the team. With a bad o line you can't pass or run , and then , you can't score , and then you can't win . It all starts with them .

Again understood.

McClendon is soon with me especially with next year’s draft supposedly being a good OT draft. His size is ideal for a OT so I’m not there yet like you are.

[Cornell29]

Rams didn't give up on Limmer. Thats why the Rams signed a short term option in Coleman and not a Center on a longterm deal.

Coleman deal is for 2 years at 6 million a year. Coleman like Limmer can play Center and Guard.

Coleman was signed bc he is versatile, not expensive and can be a place holder until Limmer has Mcvay and the Wendell confidence with the line calls.

Limmer failed with those line calls against the eagles late in the playoffs, but he will learn and eventually he will get his chance. Limmer still needs to work on his blocking.

Is Shelton more talented than Limmer? I doubt it, but Shelton is more experienced and is better at calling out the blocking schemes and that's why, for now, he has Mcvay and Wendall trust over Limmer.

Limmer is still getting play time and is still trusted. Mcvay and Wendall has him next in line backing up 3 positions. LG, RG and C. So he will get snaps and the Rams isn't scared to play him.

Mcvay and Wendall signing Coleman, was just a way to get a versatile guy, who can start or be a backup at multiple positions, while they Limmer get more comfortable with blocking and line calls.

[brasilrams]

Rams didn't give up on Limmer. Thats why the Rams signed a short term option in Coleman and not a Center on a longterm deal.

Coleman deal is for 2 years at 6 million a year. Coleman like Limmer can play Center and Guard.

Coleman was signed bc he is versatile, not expensive and can be a place holder until Limmer has Mcvay and the Wendell confidence with the line calls.

Limmer failed with those line calls against the eagles late in the playoffs, but he will learn and eventually he will get his chance. Limmer still needs to work on his blocking.

Is Shelton more talented than Limmer? I doubt it, but Shelton is more experienced and is better at calling out the blocking schemesand that's why for now he has Mcvay and Wendall trust over Limmer.

Limmer is still getting play time and is still trusted. Mcvay and Wendall has him next in line backing up 3 positions. LG, RG and C. So he will get snaps and the Rams isn't scared to play him.

Mcvay and Wendall signing Coleman, was just a way to get a versatile guy, who can start or be a backup at multiple positions, while they Limmer get more comfortable with blocking and line calls.

I agree that is their plan. I just don't know if it is a very good plan. I think the rams had an amazing off season ( draft and Fa) . The one thing they should have payed more attention to was the center position and OT depth. You go as far as your o line goes. Let's hope shelton and limmer can be at least serviceable and AJ and hav stay healthy.

[Truth]

Limmer was overmatched at Guard. He gave up a sack on an inside pressure nearly immediately.

I think the best that can be hoped for from this group is low penalties. Bc they aren’t gonna push people off the line.


Rams need Avila/Dotson to stay healthy. There’s a big drop off behind them

[RonMac]

Limmer fan from Day 1 - He is physically superior to Coleman & does not get beat physically/ his errors are in judgement-technique & experience. Coleman has experience and his line calls @ C are better than Limmer right now. IMO more reps at C would benefit him and the Rams but HC and staff brought in Coleman and gave him the job with what looks like a long lingering memory of the end of the Philly game. Give a player with potential the chance to succeed and if he does not, move on. Limmer also looked Uncertain @ G ?

[brasilrams]

Limmer fan from Day 1 - He is physically superior to Coleman & does not get beat physically/ his errors are in judgement-technique & experience. Coleman has experience and his line calls @ C are better than Limmer right now. IMO more reps at C would benefit him and the Rams but HC and staff brought in Coleman and gave him the job with what looks like a long lingering memory of the end of the Philly game. Give a player with potential the chance to succeed and if he does not, move on. Limmer also looked Uncertain @ G ?

I agree with this.

[bigklein]

In some ways, Limmer was MVP-like last year. For the most part, he had two great guards around him. Yesterday, though, was his first time in a real game at guard, and he had to play both sides. It could have been so much worse.